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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:15 am Post subject: NtBHA -- a personal account |
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Mike, a friend and long-time CRONie here in Southern California, recently described to me his seven-year experience with NtBHA supplementation -- both for him and his dog. Here's the account in Mike's own words:
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I started taking NtBHA in May of 2000.
I started Sassy (my female Keeshond dog; age ~7 then, now ~13.5) on it in
November of 2000.
There were a lot of other things happening in my life then -- a divorce and
other emotional events. Plus I was starting and stopping other supplements
during that period. Here's what I can recall or quickly dig up (and I have
no time to do more than that, now):
I started taking 2 mg/kg of body weight of NtBHA a day, after afew week's
slow ramp-up. I weighed about 50 kg then, so I was taking about 100 mg of
NtBHA a day. After a few years of that I got concerned about possible
long-term problems (without any data, just in general) and reduced the
dosage to my current level of about 1 mg/kg.
As I recall, the apparent results were that my skin looked younger, my
(per Walford) eyes-closed-one-foot-balance test results dropped down from
indicating nearly my actual age (late 50s, then) to that of someone in his
20s. Ditto with my breath-holding time.
My wife then started taking it, and soon was asked by a friend what she'd
done to make her skin look so much better. Her one-foot-balance test
results also improved after starting on NtBHA, as mine had done. We later
divorced and she discontinued taking it.
As far as for my dog Sassy, she still gets about 2 mg/kg each day. About
one year after starting on it, wife and I compared pictures taken of her
when she started and after the first year, and her graying muzzle was
clearly less gray. It was still gray, but the gray areas appeared to have
shrunk some. That situation held firm for a few years, then the graying has
slowly been increasing since then.
That's about all the NtBHA info I can recall and dig up quickly. It's all
anecdotal, one-rat data, of course. And mixed in with that was my starting
and stopping taking other health-related substances, so none of this was a
good one-variable experiment.
Further thoughts...
It seems to me that the most significant fact one can draw from this is
this:
Biological effects and changes happen faster in a 40-pound
dog than they do in much larger humans. So what my data
shows, I think, is that 6.5 years of NtBHA supplementation
in a dog (equivalent to how many human years?) creates no
apparent ill-effects, and gives some indications that it's
beneficial.
Going beyond that, you get into pretty unreliable data.
I always thought of my giving my dog NtBHA as both something
that could probably help extend her life, but also as using
her as a "canary in the coal mine" to warn me of any
longer-term problems before they became significant in me. So far she's
giving every indication that there aren't any obvious toxicity problems with
long-term supplementation with NtBHA.
Even "one-rat" tests can be useful for that.
I'm not going to have time to go back and dig up any more data than this for
at least the next six months, so I hope this is helpful as it'll have to do
for now.
-- Mike
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